I am not in favor of this because it would make lazy hams even more lazy.Its ashamed that someone joins eqso and gets 500 or more eqsl cards and never takes the time to become ag or for that matter even check their eqsl inbox.This is the reason i have needed HI for 3 years in eqs butl all the guys i worked are all not AG!73,Norm/Kb9ygd. http://mysite.verizon.net/res868sp/thetriantafilosfamily/id14.html

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KB9YGD Norman P. Triantafilos

I think what the original poster is referring to is a way to see what states have been worked based on the "OUT" box - Nothing to do with awards... perhaps the use of the word "certificate" was the wrong one to use.... just a summary of states/countries worked based on the out box. That would please me.

Thanks for all the good work and a GREAT site.

73 de Ken H.
K9FV

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K9FV Ken Holland

I for one don't want to change the AG requirement for any type of award. It follows the trend in our society and our hobby to make everything available to everyone without any effort on the individuals part.

The same thing happened many years ago before I had been a ham for 25 years. A guy asked me if I was a QCWA member and when I told him I hadn't been a ham long enough, he told me it didn't matter, because they now have associate members. Now that I am past the 30 year mark I still don't belong to QCWA because in my opinion it's no longer something to have accomplished.

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Tom Childers, N5GE

Perhaps this horse is dead, but since I just started using eQSL last fall, allow me to beat it once more.
I seems to me that the reasoning behind the AG label is faulty. Who does it benefit? Why is the onus of proof on me as an AG member trying to fulfill award requirements? If I initiate a request for an eQSL and the worked station responds via eQSL what difference does it make if that station is AG or not...to me none; I know I worked the station and our log data is in agreement. Isn't that all we go by with a paper QSL? Does anyone question that QSO? If a non-AG ham is not willing or able to spend the money, why should my legitimate QSO be rejected?
Is the AG appellation simply a way to generate income?
Perhaps I'm missing something very important, but after 40+ yrs of QSL'ing I'm hard put to find it.
The AG rating will not stop cheating if two people decide to do it, regardless of QSL method; so what's the point?
I like eQSL. I believe it to be better than LoTW, but it seems that the AG penalty being paid is borne by the wrong people.
Thanks for reading this and please help me understand the rationale.
73
GB
(Silver AG member)

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KC5GB GB Tittle

i have been using this eqsl for some time now and find that most of the eqsls i get are from no ag this is most annoying even though i tell pepole i am using this method not many use it or if they dio they dont ag so i think a non ag would be good for me and others

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M6DER Ian Dermondy

LOTW requires a match between the Sent and the Received QSO. eQSL.cc does not currently require that. You get eAward credit as soon as you receive an eQSL, even if you never send a confirmation. That's the difference.

When we tried to implement the LOTW requirement of matching logs, our users revolted and we had to return to our roots, which is as an exchange of electronic QSLs. That's why we still have many more AG'ed users than all the LOTW users combined, and why our total membership is about to surpass that of the entire ARRL membership. We give our members what they want.

Since any fool can register himself with any callsign he wishes to fabricate, and start sending out thousands of bogus eQSLs (and we have had this happen on several occasions), we are not willing to just grant credit to all of those eQSLs for our awards without at least confirming the identity of the sender first.

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WA5YWT Dave Morris

Dave,
You said:

"LOTW requires a match between the Sent and the Received QSO. eQSL.cc does not currently require that. You get eAward credit as soon as you receive an eQSL, even if you never send a confirmation. That's the difference."

The way I understand it is:
First of all, you can't get an eAward unless you are AG and at least a Bronze member.
Secondly, you don't get eAward credit as soon as you get an eQSL. You must either confirm it manually or upload a matching QSO. If you can't confirm it, you should reject it.

At least that's the way I thought it worked.

By the way, what happened to the N5UP call?

73
Andy - n1ork

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N1ORK Orest 'Andy' Zajac

Sorry, I was doing some maintenance under my old callsign WA5YWT.

Read the rules and you'll see that eAwards are based on what you RECEIVE, not what you send, and no reciprocation is currently required. We've discussed requiring reciprocation in order to motivate people who are lazy and don't upload their logs, but it is not currently required by our rules.

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Of course, that's just my opinion... I could be wrong!

73,
Dave Morris, N5UP

I see that Dave, but don't you need to confirm an QSO before it becomes an eQSL?
Otherwise it will just sit in your inbox and never go into one's Archive. If I get what you're telling me, I can get enough entries in my InBox and I can qualify for one of the eAwards without ever opening my InBox and just verifying my eAwards statuses? Just trying to understand the mechanics of it.

Andy - n1ork

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N1ORK Orest 'Andy' Zajac

Nope, you don't need to display the eQSL or confirm it, just go to eAwards Standings, and at that time it will be counted and credited for whatever eAwards it is valid for. It might count for eDX100 and also eWAS and ePFX300 at the same time, for instance, and the only thing you must do is to pull up the Standings for each award in order to have it counted for that award. You never have to confirm it.

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Of course, that's just my opinion... I could be wrong!

73,
Dave Morris, N5UP

Thanks Dave,
So I guess honesty plays a very important part in the workings of eQSL.
Thanks for a great site!
73
Andy - n1ork

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N1ORK Orest 'Andy' Zajac

Rules are rules.. Personally, I would prefer to know the person is who he or she claim to be. and are properly licensed. I paid for AG, and pay for minimum Bronze membership..Work is slow now, or I would pay for higher membership. I have downloaded over 6000 QSO'S into LOTW, and have YET to get one match!!!! Here, I can see if they have an account, and go for them if I so choose if they don't.. Most overseas hams have accounts here..and CQ counts them for their awards. Much easier to use than LOTW also, in my opinion.. But to each their own..Richard

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K0RCJ Richard Johnson