Just for your information Dave, there are 1340 of your countrymen who have submitteed their licenses and have been approved for the Authenticity Guarantee. That'sjust from England, there are many more from the other UK countries.

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73, Rich - W3ZJ
Edited by W3ZJ Rich Drake on Dec 11, 2007 at 04:54 PM

That's up to them. I'm not, so if AG status became madatory, as I say I would just not use eQSL anymore.

I realise one less 'G' is neither here nor there in the scheme of things, but I wonder how many of the 80% who are not AG would go through the rigmarole if it were made mandatory?

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G0DJA David Ackrill

What you say is true, it is up to each individual to make the decision to submit a license copy.

However, I am curious why you would choose to hide the evidence of your accomplishment in becoming a duly licensed radio operator and station owner? Many hams, including myself, are proud of our license and have it framed and proudly hung on our station wall for all to see. Years ago it was a requirement here in the US that we post our licensees in a clearly visible place near our station and I believe that still is a requirement for commercial stations.

Bye the way there are only three people authorized to view and approve licenses from the UK. One is our Webmaster who of course has access to everything and one is a countryman of yours, Tim Kirby G4VXE. The third person if you are interested is me. There are a couple of others who are authorized to approve licenses from other countries. Once your identity is verified and your AG approved a certificate that eQSL produces which shows just your name and callsign is made available for everyone to see but the general membership population will never see the copy of your license.

73, Rich - W3ZJ

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73, Rich - W3ZJ

OK, tell you what Rich, just for you and no one else, if you are prepared to travel to my house at a mutually agreed date/time, I'm QTHR as in qrz.com and any recent callbook, then I'll show you my licence.

However, requiring that I must provide a copy of it to use any system is where I would say that I'm just not prepared to do that. It would be the same if you asked for a copy of my driving licence, bank account or any other form of identity.

I still say that sending and receiving physical QSL cards does not require that you provide a copy of your licence, so why should I have to do it on here?

I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree, but my opinion still holds that, if you make it a requirement of providing a copy of my licence to use eQSL, that's when I will click the button saying that I don't wish to use it anymore...

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G0DJA David Ackrill

Rather puzzled by your objections Dave, but guess that is your choice. As it happens all you need is the very first page of the licence with your callsign and name etc, which is now very easy with the new licences already in pdf. When I did it a few years ago I scanned my validation document. Tim G4VXE will probably check it when you submit it, at least he did for me. Nice chap, I would trust him...

But as I said, that is your decision.
73 Dave

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G3YMC Dave Sergeant

OK, put it this way...

To send and receive QSL cards via the bureau do you have to provide evidence of the fact you are licenced? Answer = No.

Do I have to prove that the people I work on air are licenced? Answer = No.

Can I live without having to prove to an un-authorised body that I have a licence? Answer = Yes.

Would it really bother me to remove all my eQSL history and just not bother? Answer = No.

So, go ahead, please make it compulsory. I'll quit eQSL and have my lot removed. No problem at all...

After all, it's not me that is looking to have this non-sense inflicted on others, is it?

I have nothing against Tim, I've worked him (but never asked him to prove he has a licence, and he's never asked during a contact for me to prove I have a licence either) and it's just this stupidity of suggesting that some fool is ever going to pretend to be G0DJA and want to swap eQSL cards with people with whom I've never made contact that is just so utterly stupid, in my opinion...

I know I have a licence and, to be honest, I'd just rather people stopped hassling me about the fact that I don't have AG, as if that is really something important.

If they are that bothered, send me a QSL card in the post, I'll send one back, ARRL will accept it for DXCC, if that's what you really want and if eQSL don't recognise that then what is the point?

Sorry, but like I say I have a licence, I'm sure you do as well, so where do eQSL get their authority to require me to prove it to them?

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G0DJA David Ackrill

I've just worked another station who has said "no eQSL" and I now begin to see why.

So, I'm following their lead, I'm going to delete my eQSL entry (before you ask, no, I never did sign up to LoTW anyway) which I signed up for before this AG system was implemented and I've railed against ever since.

Like I say, one less "G" station - so who cares? But I'll make sure I let anyone I work know that I am not prepared to use eQSL in the future, and I'll discourage anyone that I talk to from using eQSL as well.

I'm sure it won't make much difference to the eQSL global system, but at least I wont have to deal with the AG thing any more.

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G0DJA David Ackrill

You miss the whole point of the Authenticity Guarantee. It has absolutely nothing to do with proving that you or anyone is licensed. Instead, it's all about identification of the person who created the eQSL account. eQSL could accept other forms of identification such as a drivers license or passport or other government issued ID. It's just that a ham license is something that every ham should have in his/her possession and is easily verified. In a few extenuating circumstances, passports and other forms of ID have been accepted. Consider, for example, a serviceman stationed in Iraq who wants to obtain the Authenticity Guarantee but didn't think to pack his ham license in his duffel bag. In such cases drivers licenses, military ID's and passports have been accepted as valid identification proving that the person who created the eQSL account is indeed the person he claims to be. That's what it is all about.

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73, Rich - W3ZJ

Don't take this the wrong way, but it looks like you just posted a whole page of messages that boil down to:

"I don't want to play with your rules. You can't make me. If you're not going to play my way, I am taking my ball and going home. Nyah! <tongue sticking out>"

I had to check to make sure I wasn't in the Primary School Playground when I read this stuff.

If you can't or don't want to post a rational reason, that's cool - it's your choice. But please go quietly in an adult manner.

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VE3OIJ P. Darin Cowan

Hi all,

If I may reply to the following comment :

>.................................................................................
and it's just this stupidity of suggesting that some fool is ever going to pretend to be G0DJA and want to swap eQSL cards with people with whom I've never made contact that is just so utterly stupid, in my opinion............................................<

Here is the answer I got from TI8II, when I asked him to confirm our qso, through the EQSL email link !!!


Hi Guy:

Thanks for email,Guy,sorry but I do not qsl this way,It was a mistake sign into Eqsl
I'm 100% qsl but only via direct,all the information is on QRZ.com,I really like the real thing (papers qsl's) and the other reason is because Eqsl's are not good,only for Eqsl's awards...........................................................................................................
....................................and I will reply as soon I got your card,best regards
Carlos

> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:55:46 +0000
> From: mail_forwarding@eQSL.cc
> To: bruttus07@hotmail.com
> Subject: EQSL needed
>
> (This e-mail has been forwarded to you via eQSL.cc
> from one of our registered users:
> Guy FALCOZ, F6DKQ)
>
> Hello TI8II,
>
> Hi Carlos,
>
> Could you please confirm our qso as of :
> may 11th 2007 15h13 17m RTTY
>
> via EQSL http://www.eqsl.cc




?????? 73 de Guy F6DKQ

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F6DKQ Guy FALCOZ

Quote from above:
"Hi Guy:

Thanks for email,Guy,sorry but I do not qsl this way,It was a mistake sign into Eqsl
I'm 100% qsl but only via direct,all the information is on QRZ.com,I really like the real thing (papers qsl's) and the other reason is because Eqsl's are not good,only for Eqsl's awards...........................................................................................................
....................................and I will reply as soon I got your card,best regards
Carlos

It's too bad some people feel this way. Sure paper cards are nice, but some can't afford the postage and the green stamps. And you can always print a copy of the eQSL if you want paper and LOTW doesn't provide for this. As far as awards, does it really matter if it's from the ARRL, eQSL or some other organization? Unless you order a plaque (for big $), it's still only a certificate you can hang on your wall. And speaking of certificates, the ARRL charges for them and eQSL doesn't. You just print it from your PC. In either case, you still have the satisfaction of reaching a goal. So what if my DXCC is from ARRL and/or my WAS is from eQSL they both mean the same to me and that's what really counts; doesn't it?

73
Andy - N1ORK

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N1ORK Orest 'Andy' Zajac

Many out there do not use AG for various reasons. I do as a courtesy. Many others-Cuba- for example have almost none that are AG. Whatever the reason, don't reject them just because of not having an AG Status. It might not be by their on choice.

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KA5ALO RICHARD EDWARDS

Richard,
To continue what I was getting at from above, even though some of the DX countries that have sent me an eQSL are not AG, I still trust that they are valid QSLs from legitimate hams. So as soon as I get 100 different ones, I will print my own certificate and hang it on the wall. And by the way, one of those eQSLs is a Cuban that is not AG. I really don't care if the eQSL is AG or if it was confirmed by LOTW. I know what I accomplished and that's good enough for me.
73!
Andy - N1ORK

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N1ORK Orest 'Andy' Zajac

I don't understand why G0DJA, David Ackrill, does not want to submit an image of his license. I am not concerned about having submitted an image of my license. What could be done with it? With an image of my license and $1.50, someone could get himself a cup of coffee(but not a Starbucks coffee). I haven't seen any valid reasons offered for it being risky in any way.
73,
Jim, KE3FG

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KE3FG James Sensenig

I need some help with this AG thing.

Can some please explain how this AG thing works?

I'm new to this eqsl thing and I'm a bit confused.

Thanks

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KG4KWW Gregory J. Curti Sr
Edited by KG4KWW Gregory on Jul 15, 2009 at 06:48 AM

Greg,
This is from the eQSL site from the link under the AG symbol that says 'Read More'

"Your eQSL cards can include the Authenticity Guaranteed logo and certificate, and qualify for our awards and contests. That is our certification that we believe that any eQSLs bearing your callsign were in fact posted on our system by the authorized licensee of that callsign.

Anyone who wants to know if your eQSLs are authentic can click on the Authenticity Guaranteed logo and can see the certificate we have issued you."

You can read more about it by clicking on that link.

73
Andy - n1ork

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N1ORK/P Orest 'Andy' Zajac

I'm pleased to read of AG being entirely rejected as a pre-condition to membership!

Confirmation cards were sent from one radio operator to another long before there were such things as awards and other paper-chasing events. That includes contests! They were mean't to confirm the exciting event of a successful two-way radio contact.

As I operate 100% QRP, it is still an exciting event.

I will use eQSL exclusively, without AG, as confirmation of my appreciation that the other operator was courteous enough to make the effort of copying my weak signal.

72/73
Dick F/N2UGB

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F/N2UGB Richard Downey

"I will use eQSL exclusively, without AG, as confirmation of my appreciation that the other operator was courteous enough to make the effort of copying my weak signal.
72/73
Dick F/N2UGB"

Good thought/idea Dick. But wouldn't it be nice if that other operator was able to use that eQSL for an eAward that he/she was trying to get.
73
Andy - n1ork

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N1ORK/P Orest 'Andy' Zajac

Hi Andy in the beautiful state of New Hampshire.

There is no "fear"-factor in not getting the AG. All our info is so easy to acquire, thus the internet frauds. I just have a LOT on my plate right now, and I mean a lot. I will, eventually, go through the ritual of acquiring AG.

My basic philosophy still remains...with or without AG.

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F/N2UGB Richard Downey

Please put "Update your membership to AG" in the main menu. Why? Because DX operators who upload to eQSL non AG, upload to LOTW and then send a log to their QSL manager don't have the time to go hunting around the eQSL website to find out how to become AG. They need it staring them in the face. I have worked many DX stations who confrim LOTW and also eQSL non AG. When I contact them they say that it is too much bother to gain AG status as they dont't know exactly how to do it. Maybe they think it is just as hard as all the unecessary rubbish you have to go through to join LOTW.

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VK5NE Paul Roehrs